From: P.Jones@uea.ac.uk
To: "Brian Hoskins" <b.j.hoskins@reading.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: IPCC WG1 Observations Conference Call
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:25:07 -0000 (GMT)
Cc: "Susan Solomon" <susan.solomon@noaa.gov>, "Kevin Trenberth" <trenbert@ucar.edu>, "Brian Hoskins" <b.j.hoskins@reading.ac.uk>, martin.manning@noaa.gov, "Matilde Rusticucci" <mati@at.fcen.uba.ar>, "Phil Jones" <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>, "Peter Lemke" <plemke@awi-bremerhaven.de>, "Jurgen Willebrand" <jwillebrand@ifm-geomar.de>, "Nathan Bindoff" <n.bindoff@utas.edu.au>, "zhenlin chen" <cdccc@cma.gov.cn>, "Melinda Marquis" <marquis@ucar.edu>


 Dear All,
   Agree with Brian's new bullet. I still think we will
 get comments about what changes with storms. If this
 is going to lead somewhere we don't want it and cause
 problems, then the final part is likely best removed.

   Reading it again, better if we say .. since the 1960s.
 About is a little vague.

   Back in CRU on Friday. I may be able to get this hotel link
 to work tomorrow morning.

 Cheers
 Phil


> Dear All
>
> To me a headline should be kept simple with the detail in the bullets
> below, so I prefer the simple version with "aspects of extreme weather"
> but I guess I am outvoted on that!
>
> For the first part of the bullet on the westerlies I should prefer to
> revert to including the shift and also using the word strengthen rather
> than increase (a number, such as the speed, increases):
>
> Mid-latitude westerly winds have shifted polewards and stengthened since
> about the 1960s.
>
> The next part on the storms is problematic. I agree with Kevin that we
> should steer clear of the causal langauage Susan had used. However
> Kevin's words seemed to link a shift in the storm tracks with an
> increase in the winds. Also, as reviewed in 3.5.3, some papers suggest
> that,  in addition to a poleward shift in the storm tracks and an
> increase in their average intensity, there is a decrease in the number
> of storms . This is probably too much for the bullet, so that a less
> specific version may be required.
>
> I think the whole bullet could be:
>
> Mid-latitude westerly winds have shifted polewards and stengthened since
> about the 1960s, with associated changes in storms. (3.5)
>
> Brian
>
>
> Susan Solomon wrote:
>
>> Thanks Brian and Kevin for the help.
>>
>> I agree with Brian about reversing the order in the headline sentence
>> but agree with Kevin that a separate bullet is most helpful.  I
>> suggest we keep the headline short and simple and just leave the
>> language we have about wind patterns being one of several things
>> changing there.  Otherwise it could be read as putting the circulation
>> change into a very high prominence in the headline which isn't quite
>> the emphasis we were discussing, I think.
>>
>> I tried to combine the suggestions and to keep things clear enough
>> that governments won't complain about lack of specifics.   If you look
>> over the comments, you will have seen that above all they will not
>> tolerate vague language.    Anybody who was in Shanghai (or any other
>> IPCC meeting) can attest to that so please please everybody help make
>> things as specific as we can.
>>
>> So my suggestion for the wind pattern bullet is:
>>
>> Mid-latitude westerly wind speeds have increased in both hemispheres
>> since about the 1960s.  This has caused storm tracks to move towards
>> higher latitudes.  {3.6}
>>
>> Regarding the headline that proceeds it, can we consider something
>> like this:
>>
>> At continental or ocean basin scales, numerous changes in climate have
>> been observed.  These include sea ice extent, precipitation amounts,
>> ocean salinity, wind patterns, and [aspects of extreme weather] OR
>> [the frequency of heavy precipitation and of heat waves, the intensity
>> and duration of drought, and the intensity of hurricanes and typhoons.]
>>
>> The ice sheets have been taken out of the above because they are
>> moving to a consolidated sea level subsection, to deal with several
>> requests for that.
>>
>> Is the new option after wind patterns too specific?  I am a little
>> concerned that we will be challenged on that.  We could keep what we
>> have: 'aspects of extreme weather'.  Equally, I am worried that they
>> will challenge the vagueness of 'extreme weather' so that is why you
>> see two alternatives here.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>> Susan
>>
>>
>> At 8:54 AM -0700 1/9/07, Kevin Trenberth wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Brian
>>> Do you need the first part?  Are you rewriting the headline on SPM p
>>> 5 lines 35-37 or are you adding an extra bullet on circulation?
>>> I thought we agreed on the latter, but your piece seems more like the
>>> former.
>>>
>>> If we left the headline alone and added:
>>
>>>     * Changes in large-scale atmospheric circulation are apparent
>>>       and, in particular,  the mid-latitude westerly winds have
>>>       shifted polewards and strengthened, altering storm tracks.
>>>
>>> would be an alternative approach.  I think it is helpful to mention
>>> storm tracks but not be specific about how they have changed.
>>> What do you think?
>>> Kevin
>>>
>>> Brian Hoskins wrote:
>>>
>>>> Susan
>>>>
>>>> Headline 2
>>>>
>>>> I suggest the following:
>>>>
>>>> At  continental or ocean basin scale, numerous changes in climate
>>>> have been observed. Mid-latitude westerly winds (and the associated
>>>> storms) have shifted polewards and strengthened. Other climate
>>>> changes include precipitation,.....
>>>>
>>>> I have taken the suggestion form SPM_327 to reverse the order of the
>>>> first sentence.
>>>>
>>>> The westerly winds sentence is essentially that in a headline in the
>>>> TS.
>>>>
>>>> I should much prefer not to include the bracketed itallicised phrase
>>>> on storms. The evidence is less strong. There is some evidence for
>>>> reduced numbers of storms also but no room to say that. It was not
>>>> headlined in the chapter or the TS.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>
>>>
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