From: Michael Mann <mann@meteo.psu.edu>
To: P.Jones@uea.ac.uk
Subject: Re: request for some additional info.
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:24:41 -0400
Reply-to: mann@psu.edu

   thanks Phil--yes, that's perfect. I just wanted to have some idea of the paper, that's more
   than enough info. I wouldn't bother worrying about scanning in, etc.
   I should have a draft letter for you to comment on within a few days or so, after I return
   from Trieste,
   talk to you later,
   mike
   [1]P.Jones@uea.ac.uk wrote:

 Mike,
   Thanks.

 The 1980/1981 papers. I don't have the pdfs.

 1980:  This paper looked (spatially) at temperatures and
 precipitation for the 5 warmest years during the 20th century
 and the 5 coldest. We then differenced these to produce
 what might happen.  We expanded this in a DoE Tech Report
 to look at the warmest/coldest 20-year periods. This latter
 effort didn't make much difference.

 1981: This looked at statistics of annual/winter/summer
 Temperatures for the NH and zones of the NH to see what
 signals might you be able to detect. SNR problem really.
 Showed that best place to detect was NH annual and
 also Tropics in summer.  Last place to look was the Arctic
 because variability was so high.

 I did look a while ago to see if Nature had back scanned these
 papers, but they hadn't.

 Is the above enough?  I have hard copies of these two papers -
 in Norwich

 Cheers
 Phil



Hi Phil,

thanks---yes, revised bibliography looks great.

I'll can send you a copy of my nominating letter for comment/suggestions
when done.

also--can you provide one or two sentences about the '80 and '81 Nature
articles w/ Wigley so that I might be able to work this briefly into the
narrative of my letter?

thanks,

mike

[2]P.Jones@uea.ac.uk wrote:

 Mike.
   Will this do?  Have added in a section on D&A.
 You didn't send the narrative. Will I have to alter that?

    Hope to get out of AVL at 5pm tonight - thunderstorms
 permitting.

 Cheers
 Phil



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HI Phil,<br>
<br>
OK--thanks, I'll just go w/ the H=62. That is an impressive number and
almost certainly higher than the vast majority of AGU Fellows.<br>
<br>
I've attached the 2 page bibliography. I think it would be good to add
some some of the more prominent D&amp;A type papers, especially those
early ones because they seem to be ahead of their time, and it is a
high profile topic (more so than hydrology!). but its your call.<br>
<br>
Enjoy Asheville--say hi to Tom for me.<br>
<br>
talk to you later,<br>
<br>
mike<br>
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   Off to the US tomorrow for 1.5 days in Asheville.

 On 1, this is what people call the H index. I've tried working
 this out and there is software for it on the web of science.

 Problem is my surname. I get a number of 62 if I just use the
 software, but I have too many papers. I then waded through
 and deleted those in journals I'd never heard of and got
 52.  I think this got rid of some biologist from the 1970s/1980s,
 so go with 52.

 I don't have pdfs of the early papers. I won't be able to do
 anything for a few days either.  When do you want this in, by
 the way?  Can you email me the piece I wrote for you, as I don't
 have this on my lap top. I can then pick it up tomorrow
 at some airport.

   The D&amp;A work has always been with others.  There is another
 area on hydrology that I omitted as well.

   Keith's daughter is OK. She had the operation last Tuesday.
 He should be over in Birmingham this weekend.

 Cheers
 Phil



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 I'm continuing to work on your nomination package (here in my hotel
room
in Trieste--the weather isn't any good!). If its possible for a case to
be too strong, we may have that here! Lonnie is also confirmed as
supporting letter writer, along w/ Kevin, Ben, Tom K, and Jean J. (4 of
the 5 are already AGU fellows, which I'm told is important!
Surprisingly,
Ben is not yet, nor am I.  But David Thompson is (quite young for one
of
these). I'm guessing Mike Wallace and Susan Solomon might have had
something to do w/ that ;)

 Anyway, I wanted to check w/ you on two things:

 1. One thing that people sometimes like to know is the maximum value
of
"N" where "N" is the number of papers an individual
authored/co-authored
that have more than N citations.  N=40 (i.e., an individual has
published
at least 40 papers that have each been cited at least 40 times) is
supposedly an important threshold for admission in the U.S. National
Academy of Sciences. I'm guessing your N is significantly greater than
that, and it would be nice to cite that if possible. Would you mind
figuring out that number and sending--I think it would be useful is
really sealing the case.

 2. Would you mind considering a minor revision of your 2 page
bibliography. In my nomination letter, I'm trying to underscore the
diverse areas where you've made major contributions, and I think its
well
known and obvious to many that two of these are instrumental data and
paleoclimate reconstructions. But it occurs to me that it is equally
important to stress your work in detection of anthropogenic impacts on
climate w/ both models and observations.  For example, your early
Nature
papers w/ Wigley. in '80 and '81 seem to be among the earliest efforts
to
try to do this (though I don't have copies of the papers, so can't read
them!), and that seems very much worth highlighting to me.  My
suggestion
is that you add a category on "Anthropogenic Climate Signal" detection
and include this work (say, 8 or so of the key papers in this area
including the two early Nature one's w/ Wigley) as well as some of your
later work w/ Santer/Tett/Thorne/Hegerl/Barnett. I realize that most of
your work in this area isn't as primary author, but I do think it would
be helpful to show this side of your research, and I'd like to
incorporate that into my nomination letter (i.e. how critical your
efforts have been to developments in areas such as D&amp;amp;A).   You
could
still fit this onto 2 pages by making the font smaller for the
references
(10pt rather than 11 pt) while keeping the headings at 11 pt, and if
necessary you could probably sacrifice a few of the surface temperature
record references to make space for the additional references.

 Also, if you happen to have pdfs of the two early Wigley papers, or
even
just the text for the abstracts, it would be great to have a little
more
detail about those papers so I can appropriately work them into the
narrative of my letter.

 thanks for any help,

 mike

 p.s. please tell Keith I was very sorry he was unable to make it here
to
Trieste, I was really looking forward to seeing him (as were Ed and
many
others here).  I hope all is well w/ his daughter.
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Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC)

Department of Meteorology              Phone: (814) 863-4075
503 Walker Building                    FAX:   (814) 865-3663
The Pennsylvania State University      email:  <a
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University Park, PA 16802-5013

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--
Michael E. Mann
Associate Professor
Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC)

Department of Meteorology              Phone: (814) 863-4075
503 Walker Building                    FAX:   (814) 865-3663
The Pennsylvania State University      email:  [14]mann@psu.edu
University Park, PA 16802-5013

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--
Michael E. Mann
Associate Professor
Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC)

Department of Meteorology              Phone: (814) 863-4075
503 Walker Building                    FAX:   (814) 865-3663
The Pennsylvania State University      email:  [16]mann@psu.edu
University Park, PA 16802-5013

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