From: "Michael E. Mann" <mann@meteo.psu.edu>
To: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Fwd: paper on alleged Wang fraud
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:02:54 -0400
Reply-to: mann@psu.edu
Cc: Gavin Schmidt <gschmidt@giss.nasa.gov>

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Phil,

sorry, first version of my message was a bit garbled. Here is the full 
message:

thanks for forwarding. It may be difficult for me to sue them over a 
footnote, and in fact he is very careful only to intimate accusations 
against me in a response to your comments. Note that he does not do so 
in the paper. I'm sure they know that I would sue them for that, and 
that I have a top lawyer already representing me.

Wei Chyung needs to sue them, or at the least threaten a lawsuit. If he 
doesn't, this will set a dangerous new precedent. I could put him in 
touch w/ anleading attorney who would do this pro bono. Of course, this 
has to be done quickly.  The threat of a lawsuit alone my prevent them 
from publishing this paper, so time is of the essence. Please feel free 
to mention this directly to Wei Chyung, in particular that I think he 
needs to pursue a legal course her  independent of whatever his 
university is doing. He cannot wait for Stony Brook to complete its 
internal investigations!  If he does so, it will be too late to stop this.

Gavin is in Shanghai, but perhaps may be able to provide some brief 
thoughts himself on this,

mike

Michael E. Mann wrote:
> Phil,
>
> thanks for forwarding. It may be difficult for me to sue them over a 
> footnote, and in fact he is very careful only to intimate accusations 
> against me in a response to your comments. Note that he does not do so 
> in the paper. I'm sure they know that I would sue them for that, and 
> that I have a top lawyer already representing me.
>
> Wei Chyung needs to sue them, or at the least threaten a lawsuit. If 
> he doesn't, this will set a dangerous new precedent. I could put him 
> in touch w/ anleading attorney who would do this pro bono. Of course, 
> this has to be done quickly.  The threat of a lawsuit alone my prevent 
> them from publishing this paper, so time is of the essence. Please 
> feel free to mention this directly to Wei Chyung, in particular that I 
> think he needs to pursue a legal course here here independent of 
> whatever his university is doing. He wait for Stony Brook to complete 
> its internal investigations!
>
> Gavin is in Shanghai, but hopefully
>
> Phil Jones wrote:
>>  Mike, Gavin,
>>     Don't pass on, just for interest. It seems as though E&E will likely
>>  publish this paper. I've responded briefly, pointing out that Tao et al
>>  (1991) doesn't claim that it explicitly states...
>>     The response to my point 7 sums up Keenan. It also seems
>>  as though he will run with the footnote 3, but it's only a footnote!
>>  The fraud allegation against you Mike is only in passing!
>>
>>     Wei-Chyung is in Vienna. Have forwarded this to him to pass onto 
>> SUNY.
>>  I wish they would conclude their assessment of malpractice.
>>
>>   Cheers
>>  Phil
>>
>>  PS to Gavin  - been following (sporadically) the CA stuff about the 
>> GISS data and
>>  release of the code etc by Jim.  May take some of the pressure of you
>>  soon, by releasing a list of the stations we use - just a list, no code
>>  and no data. Have agreed to under the FOIA here in the UK.
>>
>>  Oh Happy days!
>>
>>> Subject: paper on alleged Wang fraud
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:39:02 +0100
>>> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes
>>> X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
>>> Thread-Topic: paper on alleged Wang fraud
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>>> From: "Peiser, Benny" <B.J.Peiser@ljmu.ac.uk>
>>> To: <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
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>>> Phil
>>>
>>> I have attached Doug's response to your comments. As far as I can 
>>> see, his basic accusation seems unaffected by your criticism. Unless 
>>> there is any compelling evidence that Keenan's main claim is 
>>> unjustified or unsubstantiated, I intend to publish his paper in the 
>>> forthcoming issue of E&E.
>>>
>>> Please let me know by the end of the week if you have any additional 
>>> arguments that may sway me in my decision.
>>>
>>> With best regards
>>> Benny
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Prof. Phil Jones
>> Climatic Research Unit        Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
>> School of Environmental Sciences    Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
>> University of East Anglia
>> Norwich                          Email    p.jones@uea.ac.uk
>> NR4 7TJ
>> UK 
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