From: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
To: Thomas.C.Peterson@noaa.gov
Subject: Re: This and that
Date: Wed Jul 29 17:19:53 2009

    Tom,
      Good idea with that BAMS paper. There is also the KNMI web site,
    which tells that they have restricted data from Europe - on the ECA part.
    Both despite WMO-Res40!
     On IPCC, I suggested Thomas to not get too many hangers on amongst the LAs.
    Chs 2 and 14 are prime candidates for upping the geographic spread. We had
    about half of ours not doing that much last time.
     Isn't Tom Karl on the US nominating committee?
    Away all day tomorrow - CRU barbecue - so will pour down.
    Cheers
    Phil
   At 17:07 29/07/2009, you wrote:

     Hi, Phil,
     Yes, Friday-Saturday I noticed that ClimateFraudit had renewed their
     interest in you.  I was thinking about sending an email of sympathy, but
     I was busy preparing for a quick trip to Hawaii - I left Monday morning
     and flew out Tuesday evening and am now in the Houston airport on my way
     home.
     Data that we can't release is a tricky thing here at NCDC. Periodically,
     Tom Karl will twist my arm to release data that would violate agreements
     and therefore hurt us in the long run, so I would prefer that you don't
     specifically cite me or NCDC in this.
     But I can give you a good alternative.  You can point to the
     Peterson-Manton article on regional climate change workshops.  All those
     workshops resulted in data being provided to the author of the
     peer-reviewed paper with a strict promise that none of the data would be
     released.  So far as far as I know, we have all lived up to that
     agreement - myself with the Caribbean data (so that is one example of
     data I have that are not released by NCDC), Lucie and Malcolm for South
     America, Enric for Central America, Xuebin for Middle Eastern data,
     Albert for south/central Asian data, John Ceasar for SE Asia, Enric
     again for central Africa, etc.  The point being that such agreements are
     common and are the only way that we have access to quantitative insights
     into climate change in many parts of the world.  Many countries don't
     mind the release of derived products such as your gridded field or
     Xuebin's ETCCDI indices, but very much object to the release of actual
     data (which they might sell to potential users).  Does that help?
     Regarding AR4, I would like to be part of it.  I have no idea what role
     would be deemed appropriate.  One thing I noticed with the CLAs in my
     old chapter is that if one isn't up to doing his part (too busy, or a
     different concept of timeliness, or ...) it can make for a difficult
     job.  You and I have worked well together before (e.g., GSN) so I'd be
     delighted to work with you on it and I know you'd hold up your side of
     the tasks.  We touched on this briefly at the AOPC meeting. If I get an
     opportunity, I would say yes.
     But I also don't know what the U.S. IPCC nominating approach would be or
     even who decides that.  There is an upcoming IPCC report on extremes and
     impacts of extremes and I wasn't privy to any insights into the U.S.
     nominations other than when it was over it was announced in NCDC staff
     notes that the nominations had been made.  However, Kumar had earlier
     asked if he could nominate me, so he did (I provided him with the details).
     Regards,
         Tom

      Tom,

              If you look on Climate Audit you will see that I'm all over it!
      Our ftp site is regularly trawled as I guess yours is. It seems that
      a Canadian along with two Americans copied some files we put there
      for MOHC in early 2003. So saying they have the CRU data is not
      quite correct. What they have is our raw data for CRUTEM2 which
      went into Jones and Moberg (2003) - data through end of 2002.
          Anyway enough of my problems - I have a question for you. I'm
      going to write a small document for our web site to satisfy (probably the
      wrong word) the 50 or so FOI/EIR requests we've had over the weekend.
      I will put up the various agreements we have with Met Services.
          The question - I think you told me one time that you had a file
      containing all the data you couldn't release (i.e. it's not in GHCN). Presumably
      this is not in your gridded datasets? Do you know off hand how much
      data is in this category? Would NCDC mind if I mentioned that you
      have such data - not the amount/locations/anything, just that there is some?
        On something positive - attached is the outlines for the proposed Chs in AR5/WG1.
      Ch1 is something Thomas thinks he can write himself - well with Qin Dahe, so
      only 13 chapters. There are a lot of issues with overlaps between some of the
      data chapters 2 with 3, 2 with 5 and 2 with 14.
        I'm still thinking about whether to get involved. It would be 2 if I decide. At the
      moment I'd say yes, but I might change my mind tomorrow! Nominations are
      from Nov09 thru Jan10 with the selection made in April 10. Are you considering
      getting involved?
        I have got the IPCC Secretariat and Thomas to raise the FOI issues with
      the full IPCC Plenary, which meets in Bali in September or October. Thomas
      is fully aware of all the issues we've had here wrt Ch 6 last time, and others in
      the US have had.
      Cheers
      Phil
     Prof. Phil Jones
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   Prof. Phil Jones
   Climatic Research Unit        Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
   School of Environmental Sciences    Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
   University of East Anglia
   Norwich                          Email    p.jones@uea.ac.uk
   NR4 7TJ
   UK
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