From: wang@climate.cestm.albany.edu
To: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Fwd: review of E&E paper on alleged Wang fraud
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:20:27 -0400
Cc: Thomas.R.Karl@noaa.gov, 'Wei-Chyung Wang' <wang@climate.cestm.albany.edu>

Phil,

I think you need to respond by providing E&E with a simple answer 
of "false" to Keenan's write-up, based on the communication with me 
(but no mention of SUNYA confidentiality issue, it has to come 
directly from SUNYA).  That will force E*E to contact either me 
directly or SUNYA.  If the former, I can refer to SUNYA also, and let 
the university to handle it.  

My reading is that, since the IPCC policy report is coming out soon 
(in October?), Keenan is in panic and wants to tint the Nature paper 
as much and as soon as possible, so he can not wait for SUNYA to 
conduct "inquery" (not investigation) which he knows he is not getting 
what he wants.  Going to news medium will not do his trick because he 
can not really explain it.  So in a way Keenan traps himself now, 
betting on that the "station history" was not available and that the 
stations have moved a lot (he does not know that at all).  We are 
facing a tricky person and group, and the only way to do it is to 
follow the procedure to drive them crazy.  E&E is not going to publish 
it without giving me the chance to respond, and that is when SUNYA 
comes in and that is what Keenan does not want to see as well, he 
wants to create a smocky screen before the truth comes out. We are not 
going to let Keenan doing things his way.  So be easy, and respond 
directly what you learn from me (and any other scienctific issues you 
can identify) and perhaps even ask E&E to contact me/or SUNYA for 
verification. 

I know you are under tremendous pressure, but Keenan is in panic and 
what he has done is going back to burn him, badly.  We should be 
thinking, after the whole odeal is over, to take legal (or other) 
actions against Keenan.  This is time I regre not been a rich person, 
otherwise I can throw a million dollar lawsuit against him.

Let me know what you want to do.  I have also asked SUNYA's opinion 
about what you should do within the SUNYA framework.  But be careful 
that you do not know much about SUNYA action.

WCW

----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
Date: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:16 am
Subject: Re: Fwd: review of E&E paper on alleged Wang fraud

> 
>  Wei-Chyung,
>     Been thinking. A couple of thoughts:
> 
>  1. Libel is quite easy to prove in the UK as you're not a public 
> figure.  Perhaps when you're back you ought to consider taking 
> some legal
>  advice from SUNY. Assuming the paper is published that is.
> 
>  2. More important. I think I should send a short email to the editor
>  Peiser and inform him that Keenan has broken his agreement with
>  SUNY over this issue. If I don't, they could say I had the chance
>  and didn't.  Can you check with SUNY whether the folks there think
>  I should? I just don't want to do anything that later could be 
> construed  as the wrong thing now. I could also point out some 
> factual errors.
> 
>  Cheers
>  Phil
> 
> 
> At 10:06 30/08/2007, wang@climate.cestm.albany.edu wrote:
> >the confidentiality means that keenan needs to keep the "inquery"
> >confidential during the process of sunya "inquery".
> >
> >wcw
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
> >Date: Thursday, August 30, 2007 4:03 am
> >Subject: Re: Fwd: review of E&E paper on alleged Wang fraud
> >
> > >
> > >  Wei-Chyung and Tom,
> > >      Thanks for the quick response. I won't do anything then 
until
> > >  the SUNY process has run its course. Can you clarify what you 
> mean> >  by violated confidentiality? I presume you mean that 
> Keenan agreed
> > >  to do nothing on the issue until the SUNY process has run its
> > >  course. I presume this will conclude sometime this autumn. Keep
> > >  me informed of when the final decision might be, as after this
> > > we
> > > ought to do
> > >  something about the paper in Energy and Environment. I checked
> > >  with their guest editor and got this amazing reply! See below.
> > >  So, if we didn't already think this was the worst journal in the
> > > world,  now we know for certain it is, and have clear information
> > > from them
> > >  to prove it.
> > >
> > >    When I mean doing something, I don't mean sending anything 
> to E&E,
> > >  as that will be useless. The Real Climate blog site is a
> > > possibility, but
> > >  there are other avenues.
> > >     I will make a few notes and send them to you to forward to 
> SUNY.> >  Only after doing this can I get onto something else!
> > >
> > >    I'm away tomorrow - back in on Monday.
> > >
> > >  Cheers
> > >  Phil
> > >
> > >
> > >  From: "Peiser, Benny" <B.J.Peiser@ljmu.ac.uk>
> > > To: "Phil Jones" <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
> > > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2007 16:53:26.0748 (UTC)
> > > FILETIME=[1E7969C0:01C7EA5D]
> > > X-UEA-Spam-Score: 0.0
> > > X-UEA-Spam-Level: /
> > > X-UEA-Spam-Flag: NO
> > >
> > > Dear Phil
> > >
> > > The paper has been sent to three reviewers. Of course I will take
> > > your comments and assessment into consideration. Indeed, if the
> > > claims are unsubtantiated, I would certainly reject the paper.
> > >
> > > I hope this clarifies your query.
> > >
> > > With best regards
> > > Benny
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From: Phil Jones [mailto:p.jones@uea.ac.uk]
> > > Sent: Wed 8/29/2007 16:51
> > > To: Peiser, Benny
> > > Subject: Re: review of E&E paper on alleged Wang fraud
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   Benny,
> > >     Energy and Environment is presumably a peer-review 
> journal. Your
> > >   email wasn't clear as to whether you want me to review the
> > > paper? If you
> > >   want me to, will you take any notice of what I might say - 
> such as
> > >   reject the paper? Or has the contribution already been 
reviewed?
> > >
> > >   Phil
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At 23:17 29/08/2007, wang@climate.cestm.albany.edu wrote:
> > >
> > > >hi from beijing.  thanks for the information, and i have
> > > forwarded the
> > > >file to the vp research and she wrote back to me that keenan has
> > > >violetted the confidentiality, as i have told her in the very
> > > >beginning.  in any case, i am letting the university to 
> handle this.
> > > >send me whatever you have and i will forward to sunya.  
> keenan does
> > > >not follow on any rules at all, reasoning with him is 
> useless, but
> > > >this will come back to badly hurt him.
> > > >
> > > >before i left for beijing, i wrote my offical responses (see
> > > >attached).  please keep it to yourself.  there is no doubt 
> that zeng
> > > >had access and examined the station history to pick up the 42-
> pair> > >stations.  also remember that, the statements made in 
> both papers
> > > >address changes in all the relevant parameters "location,
> > > >instrumentation, observation time, etc." without specifically
> > > focus on
> > > >relocation.
> > > >
> > > >sunya is going through a very careful procedure, as i request
> > > them to
> > > >do because keenan will jump on any slip in procedure. 
the "fraud"
> > > >charge, which will not stand any chance, is just his strategy of
> > > >getting attention on the station relocation effect.  so 
> better to
> > > >start thinking along that line.
> > > >
> > > >i am here attending the meeting of The 3rd Alexander von 
Humboldt
> > > >International Conference on "the East Asian monsoon, past,
> > > present and
> > > >future" in Beijing. I am going to take some time off 
> travelling in
> > > >southern China after the meeting, when my wife join me this 
> weekend.> > >There is a good chance that I might not have e-mail 
> access.  Have a
> > > >good day.
> > > >
> > > >wcw
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
> > > >Date: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 10:46 am
> > > >Subject: Fwd: review of E&E paper on alleged Wang fraud
> > > >
> > > > >  Wei-Chyung and Tom,
> > > > >
> > > > >     Just received this. I won't be responding.
> > > > >
> > > > >  Knowing this journal there is no point, not even if I said
> > > > >  I ought to review the paper.  Peiser is a well-known skeptic
> > > > >  in the UK. Not sure what to do.  I guess you (WCW) should
> > > > >  forward this to whoever needs to see it at Albany.
> > > > >
> > > > >    If you think I should respond then I can. I will 
> forward this
> > > > >  to someone here, but mainly for their file.
> > > > >
> > > > >    I did say the quote on p3 about 2-3 years ago. I am still
> > > > >  not releasing the CRU station data collected over all the 
> last> > > > 25 years.
> > > > >
> > > > >  Cheers
> > > > >  Phil
> > > > >
> > > > > >Subject: review of E&E paper on alleged Wang fraud
> > > > > >Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:18:04 +0100
> > > > > >X-MS-Has-Attach: yes
> > > > > >X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
> > > > > >Thread-Topic: review of E&E paper on alleged Wang fraud
> > > > > >thread-index: AcfqPgYII3NKEW8US8uwftlkhnxNhgAB/4xQAAA5K8A=
> > > > > >From: "Peiser, Benny" <B.J.Peiser@ljmu.ac.uk>
> > > > > >To: <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
> > > > > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2007 14:18:06.0729 (UTC)
> > > > > >FILETIME=[6B4F5F90:01C7EA47]
> > > > > >X-UEA-Spam-Score: 0.0
> > > > > >X-UEA-Spam-Level: /
> > > > > >X-UEA-Spam-Flag: NO
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Dear Dr Jones
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I have attached a copy of Doug Keenan's paper on the alleged
> >Wang
> > > > > fraud>that was submitted for the forthcoming issue of 
> Energy &
> > > > > Environment>http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/mscp/ene.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I was wondering whether you would be happy to comment on its
> > > > > content and
> > > > > >factual accuracy. Your comments and suggestions would be 
much
> > > > > >appreciated. We would need your feedback by Sept 17.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I look forward to hearing from you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Yours sincerely
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Benny Peiser
> > > > > >Guest editor, E&E
> > > > > >Liverpool John Moores University, UK
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Prof. Phil Jones
> > > > > Climatic Research Unit        Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
> > > > > School of Environmental Sciences    Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
> > > > > University of East Anglia
> > > > > Norwich                          Email    p.jones@uea.ac.uk
> > > > > NR4 7TJ
> > > > > UK
> > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------
> ----
> > > ----
> > > > > ---------
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Prof. Phil Jones
> > > Climatic Research Unit        Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
> > > School of Environmental Sciences    Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
> > > University of East Anglia
> > > Norwich                          Email    p.jones@uea.ac.uk
> > > NR4 7TJ
> > > UK
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > ---------
> > >
> > >
> > >
> 
> Prof. Phil Jones
> Climatic Research Unit        Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
> School of Environmental Sciences    Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
> University of East Anglia
> Norwich                          Email    p.jones@uea.ac.uk
> NR4 7TJ
> UK 
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