From: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
To: "Thorne, Peter (Climate Research)" <peter.thorne@metoffice.gov.uk>
Subject: See below
Date: Fri Jul 31 08:59:22 2009

    Peter,
       Don't know if you got this. There is a link below to something Tom P said.

    Keith is fine - seems as though there nothing malignant or cancerous
    in the post op tests. Just needs to ensure the scar heals OK, then
    he can come back to the madhouse.
    Cheers
    Phil

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     >Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:50:57 -0400
     >From: Thomas.C.Peterson@noaa.gov
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     >From: <Thomas.C.Peterson@noaa.gov>
     >Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:07 pm
     >Subject: Re: This and that
     >
     > > Hi, Phil,
     > >
     > > Yes, Friday-Saturday I noticed that ClimateFraudit had renewed their
     > > interest in you.  I was thinking about sending an email of
     > > sympathy, but
     > > I was busy preparing for a quick trip to Hawaii - I left Monday
     > > morningand flew out Tuesday evening and am now in the Houston
     > > airport on my way
     > > home.
     > >
     > > Data that we can't release is a tricky thing here at NCDC.
     > > Periodically,Tom Karl will twist my arm to release data that would
     > > violate agreements
     > > and therefore hurt us in the long run, so I would prefer that you
     > > don'tspecifically cite me or NCDC in this.
     > >
     > > But I can give you a good alternative.  You can point to the
     > > Peterson-Manton article on regional climate change workshops.  All
     > > thoseworkshops resulted in data being provided to the author of the
     > > peer-reviewed paper with a strict promise that none of the data
     > > would be
     > > released.  So far as far as I know, we have all lived up to that
     > > agreement - myself with the Caribbean data (so that is one example of
     > > data I have that are not released by NCDC), Lucie and Malcolm for
     > > SouthAmerica, Enric for Central America, Xuebin for Middle Eastern
     > > data,Albert for south/central Asian data, John Ceasar for SE Asia,
     > > Enricagain for central Africa, etc.  The point being that such
     > > agreements are
     > > common and are the only way that we have access to quantitative
     > > insightsinto climate change in many parts of the world.  Many
     > > countries don't
     > > mind the release of derived products such as your gridded field or
     > > Xuebin's ETCCDI indices, but very much object to the release of actual
     > > data (which they might sell to potential users).  Does that help?
     > >
     > > Regarding AR4, I would like to be part of it.  I have no idea what
     > > rolewould be deemed appropriate.  One thing I noticed with the CLAs
     > > in my
     > > old chapter is that if one isn't up to doing his part (too busy, or a
     > > different concept of timeliness, or ...) it can make for a difficult
     > > job.  You and I have worked well together before (e.g., GSN) so I'd be
     > > delighted to work with you on it and I know you'd hold up your side of
     > > the tasks.  We touched on this briefly at the AOPC meeting. If I
     > > get an
     > > opportunity, I would say yes.
     > >
     > > But I also don't know what the U.S. IPCC nominating approach would
     > > be or
     > > even who decides that.  There is an upcoming IPCC report on
     > > extremes and
     > > impacts of extremes and I wasn't privy to any insights into the U.S.
     > > nominations other than when it was over it was announced in NCDC staff
     > > notes that the nominations had been made.  However, Kumar had earlier
     > > asked if he could nominate me, so he did (I provided him with the
     > > details).
     > > Regards,
     > >    Tom
     > >
     >
     >>  Tom,
     >          If you look on Climate Audit you will see that I'm all over it!
     >  Our ftp site is regularly trawled as I guess yours is. It seems that
     >  a Canadian along with two Americans copied some files we put there
     >  for MOHC in early 2003. So saying they have the CRU data is not
     >  quite correct. What they have is our raw data for CRUTEM2 which
     >  went into Jones and Moberg (2003) - data through end of 2002.
     >      Anyway enough of my problems - I have a question for you. I'm
     >  going to write a small document for our web site to satisfy (probably the
     >  wrong word) the 50 or so FOI/EIR requests we've had over the weekend.
     >  I will put up the various agreements we have with Met Services.
     >      The question - I think you told me one time that you had a file
     >  containing all the data you couldn't release (i.e. it's not in
     > GHCN). Presumably
     >  this is not in your gridded datasets? Do you know off hand how much
     >  data is in this category? Would NCDC mind if I mentioned that you
     >  have such data - not the amount/locations/anything, just that there is some?
     >
     >    On something positive - attached is the outlines for the
     > proposed Chs in AR5/WG1.
     >  Ch1 is something Thomas thinks he can write himself - well with Qin Dahe, so
     >  only 13 chapters. There are a lot of issues with overlaps between
     > some of the
     >  data chapters 2 with 3, 2 with 5 and 2 with 14.
     >    I'm still thinking about whether to get involved. It would be 2
     > if I decide. At the
     >  moment I'd say yes, but I might change my mind tomorrow! Nominations are
     >  from Nov09 thru Jan10 with the selection made in April 10. Are you
     > considering
     >  getting involved?
     >    I have got the IPCC Secretariat and Thomas to raise the FOI issues with
     >  the full IPCC Plenary, which meets in Bali in September or October. Thomas
     >  is fully aware of all the issues we've had here wrt Ch 6 last
     > time, and others in
     >  the US have had.
     >
     >  Cheers
     >  Phil
     >
     >
     >
     >Prof. Phil Jones
     >Climatic Research Unit        Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
     >School of Environmental Sciences    Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
     >University of East Anglia
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          Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:50:= 57 -0400
          From: Thomas.C.Peterson@noaa.gov
          Subject: did you get a chance to see
          To: Thomas.C.Peterson@noaa.gov
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          ----- Original Message -----
          From: <Thomas.C.Peterson@noaa.gov>
          Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:07 pm
          Subject: Re: This and that
          > Hi, Phil,
          >
          > Yes, Friday-Saturday I noticed that ClimateFraudit had renewed their
          > interest in you.  I was thinking about sending an email of
          > sympathy, but
          > I was busy preparing for a quick trip to Hawaii - I left Monday
          > morningand flew out Tuesday evening and am now in the Houston
          > airport on my way
          > home.
          >
          > Data that we can't release is a tricky thing here at NCDC.
          > Periodically,Tom Karl will twist my arm to release data that would
          > violate agreements
          > and therefore hurt us in the long run, so I would prefer that you
          > don'tspecifically cite me or NCDC in this.
          >
          > But I can give you a good alternative.  You can point to the
          > Peterson-Manton article on regional climate change workshops.  All
          > thoseworkshops resulted in data being provided to the author of the
          > peer-reviewed paper with a strict promise that none of the data
          > would be
          > released.  So far as far as I know, we have all lived up to that
          > agreement - myself with the Caribbean data (so that is one example of
          > data I have that are not released by NCDC), Lucie and Malcolm for
          > SouthAmerica, Enric for Central America, Xuebin for Middle Eastern
          > data,Albert for south/central Asian data, John Ceasar for SE Asia,
          > Enricagain for central Africa, etc.  The point being that such
          > agreements are
          > common and are the only way that we have access to quantitative
          > insightsinto climate change in many parts of the world.  Many
          > countries don't
          > mind the release of derived products such as your gridded field or
          > Xuebin's ETCCDI indices, but very much object to the release of actual
          > data (which they might sell to potential users).  Does that help?
          >
          > Regarding AR4, I would like to be part of it.  I have no idea what
          > rolewould be deemed appropriate.  One thing I noticed with the CLAs
          > in my
          > old chapter is that if one isn't up to doing his part (too busy, or a
          > different concept of timeliness, or ...) it can make for a difficult
          > job.  You and I have worked well together before (e.g., GSN) so I'd be
          > delighted to work with you on it and I know you'd hold up your side of
          > the tasks.  We touched on this briefly at the AOPC meeting. If I
          > get an
          > opportunity, I would say yes.
          >
          > But I also don't know what the U.S. IPCC nominating approach would
          > be or
          > even who decides that.  There is an upcoming IPCC report on
          > extremes and
          > impacts of extremes and I wasn't privy to any insights into the U.S.
          > nominations other than when it was over it was announced in NCDC staff
          > notes that the nominations had been made.  However, Kumar had earlier
          > asked if he could nominate me, so he did (I provided him with the
          > details).
          > Regards,
          >    Tom
          >

                 Tom,

                   If you look on Climate Audit you will see that I'm all over it!
           Our ftp site is regularly trawled as I guess yours is. It seems that
           a Canadian along with two Americans copied some files we put there
           for MOHC in early 2003. So saying they have the CRU data is not
           quite correct. What they have is our raw data for CRUTEM2 which
           went into Jones and Moberg (2003) - data through end of 2002.
               Anyway enough of my problems - I have a question for you. I'm
           going to write a small document for our web site to satisfy (probably the
           wrong word) the 50 or so FOI/EIR requests we've had over the weekend.
           I will put up the various agreements we have with Met Services.
               The question - I think you told me one time that you had a file
           containing all the data you couldn't release (i.e. it's not in GHCN). Presumably
           this is not in your gridded datasets? Do you know off hand how much
           data is in this category? Would NCDC mind if I mentioned that you
           have such data - not the amount/locations/anything, just that there is some?
             On something positive - attached is the outlines for the proposed Chs in AR5/WG1.
           Ch1 is something Thomas thinks he can write himself - well with Qin Dahe, so
           only 13 chapters. There are a lot of issues with overlaps between some of the
           data chapters 2 with 3, 2 with 5 and 2 with 14.
             I'm still thinking about whether to get involved. It would be 2 if I decide. At
          the
           moment I'd say yes, but I might change my mind tomorrow! Nominations are
           from Nov09 thru Jan10 with the selection made in April 10. Are you considering
           getting involved?
             I have got the IPCC Secretariat and Thomas to raise the FOI issues with
           the full IPCC Plenary, which meets in Bali in September or October. Thomas
           is fully aware of all the issues we've had here wrt Ch 6 last time, and others in
           the US have had.
           Cheers
           Phil
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