From: Hans von Storch <hvonstorch@web.de>
To: Keith Briffa <k.briffa@uea.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: open data access?
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 21:32:50 +0200
Cc: Hans von Storch <hans.von.storch@gkss.de>, Hans Graf <hfg21@cam.ac.uk>

Dear Keith,

I think we have to take this talking and questioning seriously. what we do is important and we have to allow for replication. when we were confronted with such requests concering the ERIK-simulations, we were initially  reluctant, but now we gove teh data to verybpody. Got us two critical comments in "science" but I think it was worth it.

Do you mind if I publish your response? Would be the prometheus weblog.
I could ask what is meant with "update" - I do know not what is meant; I had just quoted a request which I find in principle not unreasonable - and I am happy to hear that you in principle agree.

Regards,
Hans



> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Keith Briffa <k.briffa@uea.ac.uk>
> Gesendet: 11.08.06 18:57:25
> An: Hans von Storch <hvonstorch@web.de>
> Betreff: Re: open data access?


> Hans
> just too bogged down with stuff to even read 
> their crap - but I have no intention of 
> withholding anything. Will supply the stuff when 
> I get five minutes!! no idea what the so-called update stuff is about
> Keith
> 
> At 11:19 05/08/2006, you wrote:
> >Dear Keith,
> >
> >I read this comment on the prometheus-weblog of Roger Pielke jr:
> >
> >"Ask Briffa for site identifications for Briffa 
> >et al 2001? While you're at it, ask him for the 
> >measurement data for Taimyr, Tornetrask update 
> >and Yamal? Ask Briffa why he didn't publish the updated Polar Urals results."
> >
> >The background of this inquiry seems to be the 
> >replicability of your studies. I think this is a 
> >reasonable request, but some people claim that 
> >you would "stonewall" any such attempts. ("The 
> >issue of data access was discussed in the dendro 
> >conference in Beijing - some people suggesting 
> >that withholding data was giving the trade a 
> >black eye. Industry leaders, such as presumably 
> >Briffa, said that they were going to continue 
> >stonewalling.") I can not believe this claim, 
> >and I would greatly appreciate if you would help 
> >me to diffuse any such suspicions.
> >
> >As you possibly have heard, I had a chance to 
> >hear a lot what is said on Capitol Hill (see 
> >attachment) - and I am concerned if we do not 
> >apply a truly open data and algorithm-policy, 
> >our credibility will be severly damaged, not 
> >only in the US but also in Europe. "Open" means 
> >also to provide data to groups which are hostile 
> >to our work - we have done so with our ECHO-G 
> >data, which resulted in two hostile comments in 
> >"science", which were, however, useful as they helped to clarify some issues.
> >
> >All the best,
> >Hans
> >
> >
> >--
> >Hans von Storch
> >hvonstorch@web.de; skype: hvonstorch
> >
> >presently: Kaspervej 2, 4673 Rödvig, Danmark
> >+45 5650 6760
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
> 
> --
> Professor Keith Briffa,
> Climatic Research Unit
> University of East Anglia
> Norwich, NR4 7TJ, U.K.
> 
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> 

-- 
Hans von Storch
hvonstorch@web.de; skype: hvonstorch

presently: Kaspervej 2, 4673 Rödvig, Danmark
+45 5650 6760
------------------------------

Institute for Coastal Research
GKSS Research Center
Max-Planck-Strassse 1
21502 Geesthacht
Germany
http://w3g.gkss.de/staff/storch
ph +49 171 212 2046
fx: +49 4152 87 4 1831



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